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	<title>PhysXInfo.com - PhysX News &#187; Ageia PPU</title>
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		<title>Ageia Memories: alternative PhysX Developers website</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zogrim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Browsing through work folders on my PC today, I have found this old project:
Back in 2007 PhysX Developers section of Ageia website has some disputable structure (for example, Physx SDK features description was missing, but there was large flash banner with several CG-sequences, not related to PhysX at all) &#8211; thus, I&#8217;ve decided to recreate [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Browsing through work folders on my PC today, I have found this old project:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Back in 2007 <strong>PhysX Developers</strong> section of <strong>Ageia</strong> website has some disputable structure (for example, <strong>Physx SDK</strong> features description was missing, but there was large flash banner with several CG-sequences, not related to <strong>PhysX</strong> at all) &#8211; thus, I&#8217;ve decided to recreate this section from my &#8220;point of view&#8221; and send it to <strong>Ageia</strong>. And actually, some of my ideas (like feature list) were used <a href="http://developer.nvidia.com/object/physx_features.html" target="_blank">later on</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="nob alignnone size-full wp-image-3199" title="ageia_memo" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/ageia_memo.png" alt="" width="600" height="297" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So, just for amusement factor I&#8217;ve uploaded whole thing to PhysXInfo &#8211; maybe it gonna be interesting for someone, who is still curious on <strong>Ageia</strong> part of <strong>PhysX</strong> history.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Proceed to alternative <a href="http://physxinfo.com/ageia/index.html" target="_blank">Ageia PhysX Developer website</a></p>
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		<title>Manju Hedge, former CUDA and PhysX VP, is leaving NVIDIA to join AMD</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 14:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zogrim</dc:creator>
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KitGuru website has brought us news that Manju Hedge, former CUDA and PhysX Solutions Vice President (previously &#8211; CEO and co-founder of Ageia) has left NVIDIA to join AMD.
Our own sources at NVIDIA are indicating  &#8211; this information is truthful.
However, according to our data, Manju departure won&#8217;t affect PhysX (he hasn&#8217;t been working on PhysX [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3080" title="manju_1" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/manju_1.jpg" alt="" width="370" height="313" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/nvidias-vp-for-cuda-and-physx-moves-to-amd/" target="_blank">KitGuru</a> website has brought us news that <strong>Manju Hedge</strong>, former CUDA and PhysX Solutions Vice President (previously &#8211; CEO and co-founder of Ageia) <strong>has left NVIDIA</strong> to <strong>join AMD</strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Our own sources at NVIDIA are indicating  &#8211; <strong>this information is truthful</strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, according to our data, Manju departure <strong>won&#8217;t affect</strong> PhysX (he hasn&#8217;t been working on PhysX for over a year) or CUDA development process in NVIDIA, and his new roll in AMD <strong>won&#8217;t be connected</strong> to game physics related projects (instead, Manju is going to be involved in ISV recruitment).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Update:</strong> Pursuant to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/feeds/businesswire/2010/05/27/businesswire140261121.html" target="_blank">latest press-release</a>, Manju Hedge will lead <strong>AMD Fusion Experience Program</strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Update #2:</strong> from <a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20100527073143_Ex_Nvidia_CUDA_PhysX_Guru_Joins_AMD_to_Promote_Heterogeneous_Multi_Core_Chips.html" target="_blank">X-bit Labs</a> article</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">In particular, [Manju Hedge] will manage the developer relations teams that help  independent software developers (ISVs) to implement program code  optimized for heterogeneous multi-core microprocessors.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">We want to thanks <strong>Manju Hedge</strong> for awesome work on PhysX front and wish him best of luck with this new assignment !</p>
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		<title>AMD and PhysX: History of the Problem</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zogrim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recent provoking claims by AMD regarding GPU PhysX and all hype around Open Physics Initiative are causing me some Deja Vu feeling.
Why ? Because, actually, hardware accelerated PhysX was criticized by AMD/ATI throughout it&#8217;s lifespan (more or less). Let&#8217;s take a retrospective look at escalation of the conflict:
In June 2006, just after Ageia PPU launch, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20100119134616_AMD_Accuses_Nvidia_of_Disabling_Multi_Core_CPU_Support_in_PhysX_API.html" target="_blank">Recent</a> <a href="http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18009/1/" target="_blank">provoking</a> claims by <strong>AMD</strong> regarding GPU PhysX and all hype around <a href="http://www.thinq.co.uk/features/2010/3/8/amd-gives-away-gpu-physics-tools/" target="_blank">Open Physics Initiative</a> are causing me some <strong>Deja Vu feeling</strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Why ? Because, actually, <strong>hardware accelerated PhysX was criticized by AMD/ATI throughout it&#8217;s lifespan</strong> (more or less). Let&#8217;s take a retrospective look at escalation of the conflict:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In June 2006, just after Ageia PPU launch, <strong>ATI</strong> unveils their GPU physics processing conception called &#8220;<a href="http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/articles/711/711520p1.html" target="_blank">Boundless Gaming</a>&#8221; (also known as <a href="http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/physics/Asymmetric_Physics_Processing_with_ATI_CrossFire.pdf" target="_blank">Asymmetric Physics Processing</a>) based on <strong>Havok FX</strong> engine (technology was supported by Nvidia as well).</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2284" title="ATI_Havok_FX2" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ATI_Havok_FX2.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="321" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">X1900 XT GPU <a href="http://www.hardocp.com/article/2006/06/05/ati_takes_on_physics/" target="_blank">was promised</a> to deliver <strong>over 9x</strong> performance of a PhysX PPU card and games augmented with <strong>Havok FX</strong> physics were supposed to come out in 2007.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2295" title="physx_01" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/physx_01.jpg" alt="" width="437" height="318" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Result ? <strong>Havok FX</strong> died with <a href="http://www.dailytech.com/Havok+Causes+Havoc+in+GPU+Physics/article9748.htm" target="_blank">Intel aquisition</a> of Havok company, <strong>no games</strong> were released, <strong>16 titles</strong> with Ageia PPU support from hardware PhysX side.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">To be honest, <strong>AMD</strong> was threating PhysX enough politely those times, even considering to <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/21/amd-tosses-around-the-idea-of-acquiring-ageia/" target="_blank">buy whole Ageia</a> company:</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Richard Huddy</strong> saying, &#8220;we&#8217;ve had that discussion, yes. It&#8217;s a discussion  that goes round every three months – someone turns to me and says &#8220;why  don&#8217;t we buy Ageia?&#8221;</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Things started to get worse when Nvidia <a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1202161567170.html" target="_blank">bought Ageia</a> with all patents, personell, software and hardware developments. <strong>GPU PhysX</strong> was <a href="http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2008/12/11/amd-exec-says-physx-will-die/1" target="_blank">buried alive</a> by AMD beforehand</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;There is no plan for closed and proprietary standards like PhysX,&#8221; <a href="http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/12/08/ea-and-2k-games-license-nvidia-physx-technology/1"></a>said [Godfrey] Cheng &#8220;As we have emphasized with our support for OpenCL and DX11,  closed and proprietary standards <strong>will die</strong>.&#8221;</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">To support its position, AMD comes to <strong>GDC 2009</strong> with <a href="http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16640" target="_blank">GPU accelerated Havok</a> demonstrations, this time with promises to port it to OpenCL platform.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2298" title="AMD_game_physics_strategy_2009" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/AMD_game_physics_strategy_2009.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="406" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Result ? <strong>7</strong> complitely new titles with <strong>GPU PhysX</strong> support <a href="http://physxinfo.com/news/1315/physx-2009-year-in-review/" target="_blank">in 2009</a>, <strong>no games </strong>with OpenCL Havok, but &#8220;<a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20091001171332_AMD_Nvidia_PhysX_Will_Be_Irrelevant.html" target="_blank">PhysX will become irrelevant</a>&#8221; claims again and hollow &#8220;Accelerated physics processing&#8221; label to HD4xxx GPU series <a href="http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-4000/hd-4870/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-4870-specifications.aspx" target="_blank">feature set</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Meanwhile, whole year passed since than, and now new <strong>Open Physics</strong> strategy is on the <strong>GDC 2010</strong> scene, accompanied by more intensive <a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20100308225832_ATI_Nvidia_Bribes_Game_Developers_to_Promote_PhysX.html" target="_blank">GPU PhysX abuse</a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2302" title="AMD_game_physics_strategy_2010" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/AMD_game_physics_strategy_2010.jpg" alt="" width="630" height="354" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">And where is <strong>GPU Havok</strong> now ?! Following <strong>Havok FX</strong> in it&#8217;s way to oblivion, I guess.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So, why do you think, readers &#8211; will this hardware accelerated <strong>Bullet &amp; DMM</strong> duet took up this time, or it&#8217;ll end like other AMD&#8217;s attempts to settle on GPU physics field for past 4 years ? Are they really planning to bring peace and unity to developers absolutely disinterestedly, while Nvidia is using GPU PhysX to make money ?</p>
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		<title>Ageia PPU in current PhysX reality</title>
		<link>http://physxinfo.com/news/763/ageia-ppu-in-current-physx-reality/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zogrim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question &#8220;How Ageia PhysX PPU can handle newest GPU PhysX titles ?&#8221; is still interesting for some people, ATI owners for example. NinjaLane has published PhysX Performance Tests &#8211; The way games should be played article, that includes benchmarks of old Ageia PhysX PPU card along with Nvidia GPUs.
While PPU is still good at Unreal [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Question &#8220;<strong>How Ageia PhysX PPU can handle newest GPU PhysX titles ?</strong>&#8221; is still interesting for some people, ATI owners for example. <em>NinjaLane</em> has published <strong>PhysX Performance Tests &#8211; The way games should be played</strong> article, that includes benchmarks of old <strong>Ageia PhysX PPU</strong> card along with Nvidia GPUs.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">While PPU is still good at Unreal Tournament 3 and Mirror&#8217;s Edge, it has insufficient power to run latest titles like Batman Arkham Asylum with smooth framerate.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="nob" title="physx_batman" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/physx_batman.png" alt="physx_batman" width="570" height="381" /></p>
<p>You can read rest of the article <a href="http://www.ninjalane.com/articles/general_information/physx_test" target="_blank">here</a></p>
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		<title>ATI + PhysX ban: even Ageia PPUs are affected ?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zogrim</dc:creator>
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Following Geeks3D report on that recent driver update disables PhysX hardware acceleration not only for Nvidia GPUs, but for Ageia PPUs as well (if non-Nvidia graphics card is present in the system) we&#8217;ve desided to perform small investigation.
Test methodology is simple enough: we&#8217;ll use certain sample from PhysX SDK 2.8.1 Build 13 to identify if [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="nob aligncenter" title="ppu_banned" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ppu_banned1.png" alt="ppu_banned" width="200" height="126" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Following <a href="http://www.geeks3d.com/20090928/hardware-physx-acceleration-is-disabled-geforce-or-ageia-when-ati-gpu-is-present/" target="_blank">Geeks3D report</a> on that<strong> recent driver update disables PhysX hardware acceleration not only for Nvidia GPUs</strong>, but <strong>for Ageia PPUs as well</strong> (if non-Nvidia graphics card is present in the system) we&#8217;ve desided to perform small investigation.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Test methodology is simple enough: we&#8217;ll use certain sample from PhysX SDK 2.8.1 Build 13 to identify if Ageia PPU is working and initializing properly with different PhysX drivers on several systems with Nvidia and ATI GPUs.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Used PhysX System Software &#8211; <strong>8.09.04</strong> (last one with direct PPU support) and newest <strong>9.09.0814 installed above 8.09.04</strong> (PPU won&#8217;t be recognised on pure 9.09.0814 drivers)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>GeForce System #1 &#8211; GTX275 + Ageia PPU</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ppu_080904.png"><img title="ppu_080904" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ppu_080904-298x300.png" alt="ppu_080904" width="298" height="300" /></a> <a href="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ppu_09090814.png"><img title="ppu_09090814" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ppu_09090814-299x300.png" alt="ppu_09090814" width="299" height="300" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">PhysX driver 8.09.04                                                         PhysX driver 9.09.0814</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>GeForce System #2 &#8211; GTX295 + Ageia PPU</strong> (thanks to JeGX from <a href="http://www.geeks3d.com/" target="_blank">Geeks3d</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/physx-cloth-ageia-ppu-hw-mode-80904+9090814-geforce-gtx-295.png"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-350" title="physx-cloth--ageia-ppu-hw-mode-80904+9090814-geforce-gtx-295" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/physx-cloth-ageia-ppu-hw-mode-80904+9090814-geforce-gtx-295-300x182.png" alt="physx-cloth--ageia-ppu-hw-mode-80904+9090814-geforce-gtx-295" width="300" height="182" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">PhysX driver 9.09.0814</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">As you can see, in both cases Ageia PPU was <strong>recognised properly by the system</strong>, and <strong>hardware acceleration is working</strong> too (test applications indicates that both scene and cloth simulations are running in hardware)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">What will happen if we&#8217;ll try same scenario, but now with ATI GPU installed in the system ?</p>
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<p><strong>Radeon System #1 &#8211; HD4850 + Ageia PPU</strong> (thanks again to JeGX from<a href="http://www.geeks3d.com/" target="_blank"> Geeks3d</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904.png"><img title="physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904-300x187.png" alt="physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904" width="300" height="187" /></a> <a href="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904+9090814.png"><img title="physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904+9090814" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904+9090814-300x189.png" alt="physx-test-cloth-hw-mode-80904+9090814" width="300" height="189" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">PhysX driver 8.09.04                                                         PhysX driver 9.09.0814</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Radeon System #2 &#8211; HD4870 + Ageia PPU</strong> (thanks to heuM from <a href="http://www.overclockers.ru/" target="_blank">Overclockers.ru)</a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/9090814.PNG"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-355" title="9090814" src="http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/9090814-300x215.PNG" alt="9090814" width="300" height="215" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">PhysX driver 9.09.0814</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">While working fine with ATI card on old 8.09.04 drivers, <strong>test scene is running in software on CPU</strong>, when 9.09.0814 drivers are installed. But Ageia PPU is identified by OS, and <strong>hardware acceleration was working with same driver set and Nvidia GPU</strong> in the system.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Therefore, we can definitely say, that <strong>PhysX computing capabilities of Ageia PPU cards are disabled with newest PhysX drivers when non-Nvidia GPU is present in PC configuration</strong>. (at least with driver set we&#8217;ve used)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Certainly, PPU installement base is very low and it can&#8217;t handle well recent PhysX games, but such <strong>Nvidia&#8217;s decision looks strange and short-sighted even for us</strong>.</p>
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